Debate over Indiana's proposed illegal immigration bill ends in walkout

by Sarah Rice (srice@wsbt.com)

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Indiana House Republicans walk off House floor in debate over illegal immigration bill

Indiana House Republicans walked off the floor Thursday night, Feb. 21, 2008 when they couldn't agree with Democrats on the details of a bill to punish companies that hire illegal immigrants. (Photo courtesy The Indianapolis Star)

By WSBT News1

Debate over illegal immigration legislation in Indiana ended in a walkout.

Indiana House Republicans walked off the floor Thursday night. They claim Democrats stopped them from making amendments.

The House Public Policy Committee approved the bill Monday after making changes, changes that Republicans say weakened the bill.

The legislation would penalize businesses which knowingly hire illegal immigrants.

So Republicans tried to amend it Thursday night, but that didn't happen. And that's not sitting well with one local lawmaker.

"He's gotten very czar-like, like you know, 'It's my way or the highway.' I've never seen him act that way," said Republican Rep. Jackie Walorski of House Speaker B. Pat Bauer.

Walorski claims Bauer broke house rules by denying them a right to vote on the bill. It’s something Bauer says is simply not true.

"If someone says you broke a rule, you can appeal. The majority of the House votes to whether you were correct. I was correct. It's part of process," Bauer said.

Some Republicans say they wanted to include provisions that would stop illegal immigrants from receiving state assistance.

"Like no benefits for illegal immigrants. No in-state tuition for illegal immigrants," explained House Minority Leader Brian Bosma on the House floor.

But Bauer and other Democrats say those provisions are racist.

"You don't have to punish the children for instance by saying if one got hit by a car they couldn't be helped. You could punish if a company is getting rich by giving very poor wages to people that they could take advantage of," said Bauer.

When the two sides couldn't agree on a compromise, Republicans walked out. Two hours later, Bauer declared the chamber was in recess until Monday.

"You know we'll probably continue this discussion on are we going to be allowed to debate and vote or are we not," said Walorski.

"We'll see if they come back, we'll see if they participate and if they don't, I would say not only this bill is dead, but a lot of other things will be dead," said Bauer.

There's a lot of pressure on lawmakers to reach a compromise on immigration and other pending legislation. That's because there's a deadline next week for bills to clear both chambers.

Friday, May 2 at 11:33 AM BT wrote ...

Illegal’s don't have rights, that’s why their called illegal’s. This is the land of legal immigrants not illegal immigrant’s. Why don’t they go back to Mexico and protest their government for a better way of life instead of America’s. I do feel for most of these people but, the way they have went about this is wrong and should not be rewarded for breaking the law.

Sunday, Mar 30 at 5:29 PM Sick of Illegals! wrote ...

What is going on? Why are the ones in power letting these lawless people--these people who have NO respect for our precious laws--come in unchecked, use our tax-funded resources (please, visit the local ER in your hospital--check out how most are illegals!) and pollute our fine nation! And I mean pollute. I don't care if illegals are pink, green, brown, black. Any group as large as the illegals here, who have no care about our laws, are filthy users, and I don't want them around!!!!

Friday, Mar 21 at 8:15 AM jan wrote ...

I live in a small indiana town, About 2,000 population. The biggest company here has begun to hire illegals. This is a big deal for a small town. They advertise job openings but only hire illegals. We are big on keeping up our yards and homes. These people don't care. They are taking over our cities large and small. I am putting this company on wehirealiens maybe this will stop them. We need help!!!

Saturday, Mar 1 at 3:29 PM Michelle Ayala wrote ...

1. "They are taking our jobs."- how many caucasion men and women are vying for jobs as servers at restaurants or McDonalds. It is usually below the " Non-HIspanic " to take such a job because of the wages or the status. Most Hispanics just want to work and work hard to provide for their familes. All of the earlier immigrants came here much like the Hispanics for a better life for thier familes. It used to be what America was about. I do like it is a matter of the color of one's skin.

Wednesday, Feb 27 at 12:24 PM It is called common sense wrote ...

Bauer's comment regarding a child not getting medical attention because he is hit by a car is outrageous. He knows (or should know) that federal law prohibits state and local governments from not giving emergency medical care. Also, there is nothing "racist" about denying in-state tuition and state benefits to people who should not even be in the state. I am amazed at how many politicians are more concerned with protecting illegal aliens who can't vote than American citizens. Shameful.

Monday, Feb 25 at 10:46 PM Just Me... wrote ...

Clyde-I for one think your pretty much on the numbers!Although between Elkhart and Goshen,I'm thinking more like 2.3 Mil.(I wish Eisenhower had some grandchildren in office)!I bet they would realize that most Illegal's claim 9 dependents on their individual tax's,using Illegal SSN's,paying the least amount possible and then changing to another illegal SSN,as easy as they got the first.Although this is legal to claim by law.Is it right?or legal?NO!But it is what is happening!Helping the U.S. LOL!

Monday, Feb 25 at 9:47 PM Just Me... wrote ...

Amused-Once again I am the one "amused".I'm not even going to humour your "guesses" as to my race/religion or political views.For as I asked you before(still without an answer).Who said anything about Sub-humans,or aliens?.I will quite simply say,I do believe that our laws and justice system is the best in the world.Not always the fairest,but still the best.Everyone should abide by the laws,just as my family did!Apply for citizenship,test,wait the time.Otherwise deal with it in your own country!

Monday, Feb 25 at 6:51 PM amused wrote ...

To my fellow american Just me, Let me guess your white from the right and love george bush. its people like you that make the U.S. look bad. Full of hypocracy and hate, is that how your god wants you to live your life. I doubt it. I will stick with previous statement, " If these illegals were white and spoke english there would be no uproar. Think about it, its gone on for centuries and now we are targeting our neighbors from the south. whats next the canadians. oh ya there are mostly white.

Monday, Feb 25 at 12:24 PM clyde wrote ...

was operation wetback to harsh of name i agree but its a harsh reallity President Eisenhower acheived man acomplishment and this was his finest he managed to get rid of 1,300,000, illegals " aprox. the number of illegals in Goshen" today

Monday, Feb 25 at 10:35 AM LafNative wrote ...

I would disagree that this issue doesn’t have anything to do with prejudice. Immigration really wasn’t a big issue till 9/11. People came to the conclusion we need to protect out boarders because we have terrorist in our midst. Now the finger is being pointed south of the boarder. I have a Hispanic last name. My family never crossed any boarders, the boarders crossed them. If you passed a bill like this, an employer would think twice about my Hispanic last name.

Monday, Feb 25 at 8:41 AM Thank You Illegals wrote ...

If it wasn't for all the illegals working and contributing to Social Security, knowing they will never be able to receive it, there probably wouldn't be anything available for my grandparents today. I apprecaite all the money you pay out of your check and the support you give to our goverment. Once again, THANK YOU ILLEGALS!

Sunday, Feb 24 at 10:07 PM syracuse wrote ...

to all you guys that think the bordering fences are the problem youre so far from being right they are not sneaking under fences theyre comeing thru the same way legal citizens do except they have to pay a coyote "trafficer" to smuggle them in then the coyote pays the border patrol off then there home free w/ a fake SS# and all so if we make stiffer punishment for the crooks at border patrol that are putting money in there pockets while endangering our homeland security things would get better

Sunday, Feb 24 at 3:46 PM Elkhart wrote ...

REMEMBER THAT THIS COUNTRY IS MADE OUT OF ALL KINDS OF COLORS AND PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES!!! "WE CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMY OF THE US AS WELL AND WE SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE EERY OTHER TAX PAYER" WE PAY TAXES AS WELL!!!!

Sunday, Feb 24 at 3:32 PM Elkhart wrote ...

DOES ANYONE REALIZE THAT ALL THE TAXES THAT "WE" ILEGAL IMIGRANTS PAY AND CAN NOT CLAIM THEM BACK? WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO TO??? I BELIEVE IT GOES TO ALL THE US CITIZENTS THAT DO NOT WANT TO WORK AND CLAIM WELFARE AND ALL THOSE BENEFITS. HOW MANY HISPANICS DO YOU KNOW THAT DO NOT WORK??? NOW..... HOW MANY CITIZENS DO YOU KNOW THAT DON'T WORK AND STILL GET HELP FROM THE GOVERTMENT???.......

Sunday, Feb 24 at 12:37 PM Just Me...Cont... wrote ...

Amused-Then when you get back to mexico,your entire family,(kids,parents,sisters,brothers,grandparents,cousins etc.)can then go through the legal process of becoming U.S. Citizens,and then all of you can repack yourselves into the mini-van,and return!But with a drivers license,insurance,etc.,then you can even become the Democrat that you want to be!Legally,and with some legal rights/privilages to help make changes as you see fit!Until then.....I'm the one that is "Amused"!

Sunday, Feb 24 at 12:30 PM Just Me... wrote ...

To Amused;Truely and Mike are absolutely right!The border patrol is able and willing,but being held down by political garbage.And where did you see in Mike's comment the word "alien"?Well let me explain something to you anyway."Alien" means "not from here".I haven't seen any comments saying anyone is "sub-human".I'm thinking that you must be an "Illegal Alien".Most likely a wannabe Democrat.And guess what!you can become one!Just pack yourself/family(s)back in the minivan,(no Lic./ins.)go south!

Sunday, Feb 24 at 11:10 AM amused wrote ...

Hey Truly,If we had a real border patrol how did all these illegals get here?Hey Mike,by attaching the label of Illegal alien,its a way of not accepting these people as HUMAN.My guess is if it were you and your family struggling to survive in your country,you would do the same thing.Come to the U.S. to help your family. But because these people don't speak english and have cultural differences we can label them aliens and treat them as such, sub-human.Aliens,white and spoke english no uproar

Sunday, Feb 24 at 1:38 AM John Wesley wrote ...

I hope that when the next election rolls around that somehow we all remember just what B Pat and his demycraps have done. These people are illegal but Bpat and his cronies would let them work here, drive here, live here without becoming legal and next will want to give them the vote. Those yahoos cant even support an amendment to ban gay marriages, what a bunch of no account idiots, sure glad I didnt vote for them.

Saturday, Feb 23 at 9:45 PM Nappanee Resident wrote ...

In Mexico the only people allowed to vote are Mexicans who were born in Mexico. I think the bleeding heart liberals who think we are so mean should spend some time south of the border helping the Mexican people get their standard of life up. They have all the answers and are more than happy to force others to spend their hard earned money to help the poor down trodden. The system is set up to punish middle class people who earn money. Poor people are all victims. Shame on the middle class.

Saturday, Feb 23 at 8:53 PM Wiggs Syracuse wrote ...

Don't you get it? This is simple math folks.No motor voter laws,a growing number of illegals equals votes. This is repulsive particuarly when you consider the bureacrats with this motive (democrats) are pointing an accussatory finger at me and you as if they maintain a moral authority over us? DEPORT THE DEMOCRACTS OUT OF INDY. Simply repulsive,don't you think?

Saturday, Feb 23 at 6:46 PM Carol Jean wrote ...

Lawmakers, get back in there and work it out! You do not have the right to walk away from your job!

Saturday, Feb 23 at 5:54 PM Truely from Texas wrote ...

Hey "Amused" what do you mean by we would have a real border patrol? We have an excellent border patrol if they were allowed to do their job. Two fellows that did their job were put in prison for over ten years because they shot an "illegal" drug dealer from Mexico. The only mistake they made was not killing him. Shame on George Bush for not treating them the same as he did "Scooter".

Saturday, Feb 23 at 5:43 PM mike wrote ...

To the amused one it has nothing to do with racism cant u get it through your head its being illegal i couldnt care what race anyone is . You do know there is a legal way to become a american citizen check it out once. And yes everyone probably has done something illegal in life and accept the penalties for it . But should i get free education medical and welfare for breaking a law just get rid of the laws then. I guess crime must pay

Saturday, Feb 23 at 3:47 PM amused wrote ...

It's funny how all you people say you are not racist but you all are. I'm sure everyone that has wrote in has done something illegal, sometime in their life. No one has mentioned the millions upon millions of $ put into the system by these people through taxes. Yes taxes whether they are using a correct ss # or not their withholding taxes are in THE SYSTEM just like americans taxes. If we wanted people to stay out we would have a real border patrol. Racism is alive especially from the right

Saturday, Feb 23 at 11:28 AM funny wrote ...

its funny how every single comment on here is negative, i submit something unlike all these comments and it never gets posted.

Saturday, Feb 23 at 11:15 AM rogerg wrote ...

I live in Mexico and know what this country does about illegals and it's not pretty, rob, rape, beat, then jail is the order of the day here. If you are legal here and have a kid who doesn't speak fluent Spanish, it will cost you 500 dollars a month for him to learn it. In central Mexico there is nothing in English here, no translaters are available even at magration where half the people are from the states or Canada. Take a lesson from Mexico on immigration, check it out.

Saturday, Feb 23 at 9:59 AM Nappanee resident wrote ...

I think the question the people should ask of the individual that supports illegals obtaining benefits no acessable to Americans. Who is the racist? I thought the law makers define racisism as descrimination toward others who are of a different race, religion, handicap or nationalism. By saying someone does not deserve a benefit given to others in a simular circumstance because they are an American is racism in its truest form.

Saturday, Feb 23 at 9:56 AM Anonymous wrote ...

This is a complete waste of time there is a reson they are called illegal immigrants its because they are and the word is ILLEGAL they are entitled to nothing they are criminals wake up people. And any company that hires them is doing a criminal act as well as the government to house and support a criminal action.

Saturday, Feb 23 at 9:44 AM A VOICE FROM TEXAS wrote ...

PUT IT TO A VOTE!!!!! Who wants YOUR TAXES DOLLARS TO PAY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS GOVERMENT BENEFITS? OR do you want the taxes you have already paid to rebuild your schools,hospitals, brigdes,highways. Everyone WHO PAYS TAXES please reply. VOTES IT'S UP TO YOU!

Saturday, Feb 23 at 9:27 AM JT wrote ...

Pat first off get a new rug! Okay, 1) learn the language of the land. 2) come to this country correctly and that would be a good start. Try and fit in and half of this wouldn't b a problem

Saturday, Feb 23 at 9:16 AM Anonymous wrote ...

ev..Illegals DO NOT get free college tuition or any kind of state aid. They pay everything from their pocket and only after showing enough documents that their parents have been legally paying the taxes like everybod else. They also must have their papers being processed by immigration, have good grades, and voulenteer work can also determine acceptance or not. They have much higher standards than any other "hispanic, black, or white legals".

Saturday, Feb 23 at 9:10 AM Jon Mitchell wrote ...

If I knowingly break the law, I would be penalized.Why then should business get away with it? What part of illegal are people missing?

Saturday, Feb 23 at 9:04 AM Indep. wrote ...

"ILLEGALS that distribute the drugs to begin with," I'm really sorry to burst your bubble but, legals, whites, blacks, and asians are as likely to distribute drugs in this country as illegals. You know I'm surprised that with this great economy people still can't understand the concept of supply and demand in drugs. No demand in the US would mean a decrease in supply coming into this country. I'm sure it's not the illegals the only ones that demand it.

Saturday, Feb 23 at 8:35 AM Angry Plymouth Man wrote ...

I hope the people of South Bend/Mishawaka are proud of B. Patrick Bauer. Is his goal in life to prevent ANY progress whatsoever in Indiana? Let's not forget the basics here. Democrats (Bauer) are for "big government" and passing any law(s) that either cuts goverment or reduces taxes is something they just will not stand for. Bauer knows that his district is becoming more and more illegally propulated and if he and his democrat friends have their way, illegals will soon be legal (voters).

Saturday, Feb 23 at 7:05 AM union needed wrote ...

to goshen what is the name of your co. i need a good pay job min. pay 13.per hr. all benifits please post info on this site of course this is only a living wage

Saturday, Feb 23 at 5:49 AM Very Concerned wrote ...

I think that any business that hires an Illegal should be put out of business and America is a place where we have a balance of cultures not an overrun of another, if I tried to cross the border in mexico I would be shot. I believe everyone deserves a chance as long as they do it legally. NO assistance No LiCENSE These are Earned as an American not a given. An I believe the Westside Parish St Adelberts should be ashamed for helping Illegal Immigrants such Catholic religion.

Saturday, Feb 23 at 1:27 AM Goshen wrote ...

Allowing them to have instate tution rates is the same as saying the people over the state line have to pay more, but anyone from anywhere else in the world dont. How fair is that for Indiana taxpayers. As for hiring them, if you do you will lose your ability to conduct business in this state, and eventually may go to jail. Grow up and offer wages a legal resident can live on!

Friday, Feb 22 at 11:33 PM syracuse wrote ...

how can a company not hire or fire a person for something they might of smoke up to a month and a half previously but they can't seem to keep from hirirng ILLEGALS that distribute the drugs to begin with and to the earllier writer its not that americans dont want to do the work we just aren't comfortable doing it for or beside ILLEGALS

Friday, Feb 22 at 10:59 PM clyde wrote ...

what is there to debate if they hire illegals they should loose their buissness licence for it its gotten bad when its no longer smart to send a married woman into the work force because of these illegal rico suave womanizerz

Friday, Feb 22 at 10:58 PM South Bend wrote ...

I think it's interesting how the Democrats should even consider giving money to ILLEGALS.....if there is one thing that unites this country, that is that we all agree ILLEGALS are breaking our laws and should not be rewarded for doing so. Quit giving away my tax money on those who are here illegally. Give it back to me.

Friday, Feb 22 at 10:07 PM Goshen wrote ...

I don't understand why you guys keep saying that the illegal are taking your job, I own a company and when people coming a apply white or blacks they get interviewed , hired and they only work for a day if most, because either is too hard or they don't like the enviroment, so we don't have other choice to hire the illegal, they work and they don't complaint...They do the jobs that us the AMERICAN DON'T WANT TO DO! so stop complaining and do your job, and maybe we won't have to hire the illegals.

Friday, Feb 22 at 9:48 PM Elkhart wrote ...

Hello, lawmakers! Stop the freebies to illegals, and stop the flow of illegals! Why do you think they come here by the thousands?? They are getting services for free that are for LEGAL US CITIZENS, and that is a crime in itself!!

Friday, Feb 22 at 9:39 PM LaGrange REPUBLICAN wrote ...

Just b/c the Republicans chose to leave the meeting, does not make us racist! These immigrants are here illegally and taking jobs away from us LEGAL Americans. That is illegal and while the company should be penalized, the guilty parties should be the ones getting the harshest one-besides a hefty fine and jail time, they should be deported until they can come to America LEGALLY!

Friday, Feb 22 at 9:32 PM European-American (no more racist a title than any other hypenated title) wrote ...

The illegals who use their "anchor" kids as leverage to leech their way into your pocket and mine are no different than those who use their women and children as human shields to keep us from bombing their weapons factories. Not only do these people, whether Mexicans or Islamists or whomever, know they can be as hateful and thieving and manipulative as they care to be, but they also know that we've been trained to hold ourselves, and not them, accountable. Enough already. Deport them all.

Friday, Feb 22 at 7:31 PM me wrote ...

Why are the illegals getting state aide and college tuition?? This should not have been an issue..in the first place ..Why are they getting our tax monies??? I for one think this is a huge problem and needs to be stopped ....What is going on at the state level that this was even an issue....So these are the people with the full carts at the grocery In front of the other people like me with a few items and a caculator....WAKE UP...PEOPLE....our tax monies are being misused...

Friday, Feb 22 at 7:15 PM Anonymous wrote ...

This has nothing to do about being racist. They're ILLEGAL, plain and simple. They shouldn't get anything for free. Law abiding Americans have to work hard for everything we have, and we don't get anything free. Talk about messsed up......

Friday, Feb 22 at 7:03 PM Just Me... wrote ...

Just another reason that I am leaning more toward the Republican side,although still confused.Companies should be penalized if they knowingly hire illegals!And I'm sorry to say,but the hell with illegals that put their families in a situation that won't offer medical support if they are not legal!Follow our laws,Otherwise,deal with it!Be honest,be legal.But the same goes with all economic help to illegals.Nobody should help support illegals!We don't owe them college tuition etc.Be legal!or else!

Friday, Feb 22 at 6:37 PM ev wrote ...

The part that's so bad about this is that these people are paid by the taxpayers to get the job done, not walk out. I can understand why the Republicans are frustrated, it does not seem right to provide free education to illegal immigrants,or to provide state assistance for them. No wonder we are going broke. But walking out is counter productive.Isn't there some sort of law now to use as guidance in this? Did we always provide free college tuition and state aid for illegals?I hope not.

Friday, Feb 22 at 6:34 PM kosciusko democrat wrote ...

I would think their political careers would be dead or at least they should be. Uptight Indiana Republicans are usually racists!

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