Michigan considers "mailing it in" to make primary votes count

by Troy Kehoe (tkehoe@wsbt.com)

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Some Democratic Party leaders are in favor of holding mail-in caucuses in Michigan and Florida. (WSBT photo)

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CASS COUNTY, Mich. — Democratic Party leaders are still searching for a way to make Michigan's primary votes count. Now, some say they've found a way: electing a candidate through the U.S. Postal Service.

The Democratic National Committee stripped Michigan and Florida of all their delegates to the national convention because both states moved their primaries up in violation of party rules. That made votes in both states essentially meaningless.

But it also created a major problem for the party, because the race between Illinois Senator Barack Obama and New York Senator Hillary Clinton is so tight. Some say the only solution is a "do-over."

On Sunday, DNC Chairman Howard Dean told CBS News' Face The Nation that both states will be forced to "follow the rules."

"I think it's very unlikely that Florida and Michigan, given how close this race is, [are] going to be seated as is. Both Michigan and Florida have an opportunity to either have some sort of a process that is within the rules, or simply appeal to the credentials committee."

And last week, both Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm and Florida Gov. Charlie Crist expressed a willingness to hold a new election.

The question is, how?

A new primary would be far too expensive, and both governors say they won't use taxpayer dollars to fund it. Some say holding another primary would also be illegal.

That's left the states considering holding a Democratic caucus instead. But that could be difficult to organize at the last minute, and some worry it would be sparsely attended.

"How many people have the time to go down to a caucus?" wondered one voter WSBT spoke with in Cassopolis.

That's left one other potential solution: holding the caucuses by mail.

Chairman Dean says he's open to the idea.

"That's actually a process that's been used elsewhere," he told CBS News. "And there's precedent for having a so-called do-over. D.C. had to do it. I think Delaware had to do it, because other states have jumped ahead in the past, too, and then thought better of it later on."

"[It's] actually a very good process," he continued. "And it's one that we discussed early on, when we were negotiating with Florida, hoping to head all this stuff off. It's comprehensive. You get to vote if you're in Iraq or in a nursing home. It's not a bad way to do this."

Democratic Michigan Senator Carl Levin agrees, particularly because the costs associated with a mail-in vote are much lower, and the DNC has refused to pay for a "do-over."

"I think that only a mail kind of vote will work," he said Sunday.

Still, Sen. Levin and others are worried about security.

"How do you make sure that hundreds of thousands, perhaps a million or more ballots can be properly counted and that duplicate ballots can be avoided?" he asked during an appearance on ABC's "This Week" program Sunday morning.

"You should have a photo ID to vote," agreed another Cass County voter. "With a mail-in, there's no security at all."

For some, it's a headache on top of a headache, and enough is enough.

When asked if he believes another primary or caucus is necessary in the first place, Cass County Democratic Party Chairman David Taylor replied "No. Absolutely not. And it will not happen."

And Taylor says there's a simple reason why.

"The people who won, won in accordance with Michigan law. And I don't think Howard Dean or any other person can change the law at the last minute to re-do something they don't care for. I think it's an unfair process to have a second election when you don't like the results of the first."

Taylor says that policy should apply regardless of who the eventual nominee is.

"Barack Obama had an opportunity to be on the Michigan ballot. He chose not to. I think he has to live with his choice."

That's why his suggestion, is that the DNC "fix the system," and seat Michigan's delegates based off the results of the state's original primary. If that doesn't happen, he predicts a whole new set of problems.

"Michigan and Florida could get together and hold their own convention," he said. "If [the delegates] are not seated, we could have a situation with Hillary Clinton's name appearing on the ballot in Michigan and Florida, and Barack Obama appearing in 48 other states."

Taylor says Michigan is slated to elect its convention delegates on March 29 based off the primary that's already been held.

Sunday, Mar 30 at 5:03 PM Amadeo Lese wrote ...

I know a little of the Cass County Officers, and I really think they all supported Clinton. To have a another primary election, who would do the policing of the ballots. Clinton agreed with the rules, should had removed her name from the ballot. Again why didn't the voting instruction been put in the Papers of the uncommitted and write in voting by the Cass County Democratic Party? This writer finally put it in the paper, received information from another county.

Monday, Mar 10 at 10:04 PM ShirleyD wrote ...

Count the State's as is. Record number of voters came to the polls, and yes, knowing that the DNC stripped their delegates from both States. However, do not punish the people, who deserve a say! To bad so sad for Obama, if he does not like it. Not our fault he wanted his name off the ballot. Funny, he was on the ballot in Florida and still lost. Wonder why he doesn't want them to count? Hillary '08!!!! Shirley, Traverse City, MI

Monday, Mar 10 at 4:41 PM Mitch wrote ...

I do agree...live with it..the choice was made. Getting rid of Jennifer would be a good thing. Unfortunately you only had to choices for Governor and you chose the lesser of two evils. Electing DeVos would of sold the rest of the state ( not just Grand Rapids) to Amway and the great Pyramid.

Monday, Mar 10 at 3:58 PM Anonymous wrote ...

All part of our Democrat Governor Jennifer M. Granholm's plan for the state. The plan that was talked about through the whole Michigan Governors race. We should just make the Governor Granholm Hillery's vice presidental canidate. Then may be the state can get back on its feet again.

Monday, Mar 10 at 3:13 PM Rick wrote ...

I thought they already voted! Make up the rules as you go. So the people that voted a few months ago their votes no longer count. Wait, they do not account anyway because MI and FL have been punished. What a farce. This is a DEMOCRATIC party? And you want this party in the white house? What a socialistic unfair bureaucratic mess!

Monday, Mar 10 at 2:37 PM Michiganer wrote ...

I live in Michigan and I believe it should NOT count! "We" knew the rules. It is not fair to change them in the beginning because some did not like the outcome. Rules are rules. Now, if you want to change the rules for NEXT time...then get something going now. But, it's too late for this election. Can I get the speed limit changed right after I get a tickets so it will go awa? Don't think so!

Monday, Mar 10 at 12:07 PM Anonymous wrote ...

MICHIGAN IS THE BIGGEST JOKE. GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY THEY MOVED UP THE PRIMARY AND RISK LOSING DELEGATS.

Monday, Mar 10 at 10:27 AM Anonymous wrote ...

Is this not the party that was upset in 2000 about not all the votes being counted, and introduced us to the hanging tabs. I wonder why no one has sued the democratic party for the right to have their votes count?

Monday, Mar 10 at 9:44 AM Ertzog wrote ...

If a mail in re-do was held... whats to keep all the republicans from voting for Hillary - the candidate they know is the least likely to win in November?

Monday, Mar 10 at 9:18 AM John wrote ...

Cass County Chair David Taylor is wrong and it should be reported as such. Before the primaries started, an agreement by the states was in place. Party officials should say they're sorry to these voters, for the confusion, mishandling of the primaries there.

Monday, Mar 10 at 12:31 AM Mike wrote ...

Obama had his chance to put his name on the ballot and chose not to.... Hillary won so live with it and give her the delegates!!!! Quite trying to change the out come of the vote already taken!!!!

Sunday, Mar 9 at 11:25 PM Todd wrote ...

Michigan made their decision..now live with it. You all were warned before the lawmakers voted that the votes would not count.

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