St. Joseph County leaders worry property tax bill will mean massive local cuts

by Troy Kehoe (tkehoe@wsbt.com)

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St. Joseph County leaders worry property tax bill will mean massive local cuts

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SOUTH BEND — Property tax bills are about to take a dive, but not everyone is on board with the plan. Some local leaders say it takes away equal relief for homeowners in St. Joseph County, and leaves local governments scrambling to make up for lost funding.

Lawmakers voted overwhelmingly in favor of the plan Friday. If Gov. Daniels signs the bill into law, it would cut taxes by an average of 28 percent statewide.

But St. Joseph and Lake counties would see slightly less relief than other counties in the state because existing tax debt for capital spending was exempted from the caps here, leaving homeowners to expect caps between 1.03 percent and 1.3 percent instead of the flat 1 percent cap in 90 other counties across the state.

Some also called the plan was a tax shift rather than a tax cut. Lost revenue will be made up through a 1 percent increase in the state's sales tax.

Some taxpayers like Daniel McKenzie of South Bend say it's a bad deal.

"It is ridiculous," he said. "We want the same relief. It's not fair. By no means is it fair."

And some local leaders agree.

"I understand that frustration," South Bend Mayor Steve Luecke (D) said at a news conference following the legislature's vote. "There were some successes in the bill. But from my perspective, it came up short."

He says local leaders didn't ask for the debt exemption. State lawmakers told them they needed it because debt in St. Joseph and Lake counties is so high, taxing it would bankrupt local governments there.

But some say that's not the case.

They point to a 2007 audit of the county's finances that shows St. Joseph County's debt services fund at $5.03 million.
Click here to view that audit.

But the numbers also show a heavy impact from local school districts. Some have large capital construction projects on the tax rolls, and that's pushed the county's total debt to $58.6 million.

Still, while exempting that money from being capped will cut the county's initial projected losses nearly in half, Mayor Luecke says it won't fully solve the problem.

"The total of all taxing units will lose $34.6 million a year in revenue," he said. "Those are significant portions of each unit of governments' budgets. It is not cutting fat. It is perhaps amputating certain services that may be required."

But state lawmakers say there is another solution embedded in HB 1001. Local taxing bodies can enact a 1 percent local option income tax and a 0.25 percent local option public safety income tax.

But there's a catch.

"If we were to raise the option income taxes, those monies would go back for property tax relief," said St. Joseph County Council President Rafael Morton. "The way the bill was originally written, if we raised the income taxes, those taxes would go back into the county and cities general funds to help pay for services. With the changes in the bill, that's no longer the case."

Morton says that means not all of the money that would be collected under the new income taxes would go to help replace lost property tax revenue.

Even if it would, Mayor Luecke says he doubts it would solve the problem.

"If we enact both a full 1 percent income tax for property tax relief and 0.25 percent for public safety, the City of South Bend will still be $4 million short."

Under those projections, South Bend Schools would also be nearly $3 million short. St. Joseph County's Library District would be nearly $1 million short, and Transpo bus service would stand to lose about $500,000.

Click here to see the full LSA projection of the Circuit Breaker impact.

Luecke also says the reliance on local income taxes makes local governments "the bad guys."

"[Legislators] get to come home and say 'we cut your property taxes' and then force us who lost the revenue we had -- this is not new revenue we're asking for -- to raise the taxes to be able to provide these key services in our communities."

Both Luecke and Morton say either way, both the city and county will likely be left with few options.

"On the surface it does seem to soften the blow," said Morton. "But you're still looking at an effect where we're going to have to deal with in 2009 and 2010 that could still mean layoffs and cutting back of services."

The question from Daniel and his neighbors now?

Is this really "relief" at all?

"It's a little frustrating, yeah," he said. "But, we'll remember that on the day we go voting."

Exactly where cuts to cities, the county, or schools might come is still unclear. But both Luecke and Morton acknowledged some might have to come from public safety.

All local taxing bodies plan to discuss the potential impact of the new caps. Some, like South Bend, have hired outside firms to assess what their next moves should be. Mayor Luecke says the city is also in talks with a firm to perform an efficiency review, to determine where further cuts could be made.

In order to implement the new local option income taxes, at least 2 of the 3 major taxing bodies would have to sign off on the plan. They are: the St. Joseph County Council, South Bend Common Council, and Mishawaka Common Council.

Monday, Mar 24 at 9:15 AM Chuck wrote ...

All of this "looming tax cut" scare talk from our local and state politicans makes me sick. They are the ones who dug us into this hole here, and are responsible for most all of our local problems too. Don't forget when voting time comes around, folks. Let's clean house and send a message to all the local and state elected and appointed officals. Time for a change of leadership here is past due.

Sunday, Mar 23 at 1:35 PM Jack wrote ...

Thanks for the information, Bryan. I hope all St. Joe County residents will vote all local and state politicians out of office in all next elections. Enough is enough!

Sunday, Mar 23 at 11:11 AM Bryan Byrd wrote ...

Our county and township assessor are overvaluing most everyone’s property values, to make up for St. Joe County’s foolish spending and mismanagement of our tax dollars. Homeowners here are being over burdened in their property tax bills, from the careless spending habits of our city and county officials for many generations now. Inform yourself and check out my links. http://www.in.gov/dlgf/pdfs/proptax/St_Joseph.pdf http://getrealindiana.net/extras/fixlocalgov.pdf

Tuesday, Mar 18 at 8:19 AM Jerry DeMeyer wrote ...

Keep an eye open for your new tax bills coming in the mail, folks, as your home value will be going up, to cover St. Joe County’s loss of revenue. Regardless of where you live in St. Joe County and what price range your home is in, the value of your home has been declining since 2004, but the assessed values have been steadily increasing. Make sure you look it over good and get a appraiser, or local Realtor to value your home, so you can file your appeal accordingly. Comments from Realtor.

Monday, Mar 17 at 3:07 PM hmmm wrote ...

Yes..I do have a nice home..I worked hard for it. And again..all I hear is blame placing..where would you make the cuts?

Monday, Mar 17 at 1:23 PM Ron wrote ...

Hmmm, this isn't my burden. It's the democrat's. That must mean you. They spent the money. They can pay it back.

Monday, Mar 17 at 1:20 PM To hmmm wrote ...

Four decade ago was the Vietnam War. Lyndon Johnson was president. He was a democrat. Is that what you are talking about? Do you remember the civil unrest? Studebaker moved out of South Bend just after he took office after JFK's assassination. Unemployment was high in South Bend back then. It that what you meant?

Monday, Mar 17 at 1:13 PM To hmmm wrote ...

Three decades ago was Jimmy Carter and his double digit inflation, double digit unemployment. It that what you're talking about? I remember that very well. This is nothing compared to that, except for St. Joseph county property taxes.

Monday, Mar 17 at 1:10 PM Anonymous wrote ...

Hmmmm, can you write a complete sentense? You must be a product of the SBCSC. What "stats" are you talking about? Giving "aid" has reduced the incentive for kids to graduate from high school. How else do you explain the low graduation rate in SBCSC? It's certainly not the teacher's fault. What do you mean $1500 in one shot. Since taxes are due half in the spring and half in the fall, are you insinuating yours are $3000 for the year? You certainly must have a nice house.

Monday, Mar 17 at 1:02 PM Anonymous wrote ...

hmmm, decades in the making? You must be talking about St. Joe County then. Yes, the "dems" have been creating this in St. Joe County for decades.

Sunday, Mar 16 at 2:50 PM hmmm wrote ...

this has been decades in the making..not just 3yrs..we are experiencing that which many nationwide are experiencing..never said union only questioned "low bidder period" and i live in an area of the hardest hit by the prop tx..no..not wealty..giving aid does not reduce incentive..compare stats to those before the "great rep welfare reform" again..if you are paying $5 more here and there and not have to come up with an extra $1500 in one shot..the burden is easier to carry..

Sunday, Mar 16 at 12:12 PM William Johansson wrote ...

Is anyone here interested in why all homeowners in St. Joe County are so lucky to be excluded from the statewide property tax cap legislation? I have the real information for you and the transparency in our local government. http://www.in.gov/dlgf/pdfs/proptax/St_Joseph.pdf http://getrealindiana.net/extras/fixlocalgov.pdf http://getrealindiana.net/extras/Assessme.pdf http://getrealindiana.net/extras/GETREALQ.pdf http://getrealindiana.net/ http://www.indianafiscal.org/

Sunday, Mar 16 at 12:07 PM A very concerned, longtime local Realtor wrote ...

Don’t be fooled again by all of our local elected and appointed officials. Adding further insult to injury, our county and township assessor are overvaluing most everyone’s property values, to make up for St. Joe County’s foolish spending and mismanagement of our tax dollars. Homeowners here are being over burdened in their property tax bills, from the careless spending habits of our city and county and state officials, for many generations now. Send them all a messagage in the next elections!

Sunday, Mar 16 at 10:09 AM Wondering wrote ...

Here we go.St.Joe county getting screwed again by our great state.Property, school,wheel tax,etc., If Indiana wants to keep doing this,it is time all the people stand together and change this system.With the big N.D. here in this town we should not be this bad off,but we are.We should get outside help to remove and repair our local and state govt's. S.Bend will soon become a has been city that is gone due to the governing ways. I only wish I could afford to leave but I live in S. Bend.

Sunday, Mar 16 at 9:20 AM Anonymous wrote ...

The "dems" have controlled the house and senate the last three years. We weren't discussing the country anyway. There are only two counties in big trouble in Indiana. They're both controlled by "dems". hmmm.

Sunday, Mar 16 at 8:42 AM mike wrote ...

Mr. Mayor why do you need 3 aids what do you do ?

Sunday, Mar 16 at 2:11 AM HH wrote ...

If you have a city that requires 100 people to pay one $ each in taxes then the city will have $100 for a budget.As people leave or jobs leave the city then has say 80 people and an $80 budget.The city must then downsize and this has simply not happened in SB. We have had years of overspending.

Sunday, Mar 16 at 2:02 AM Kari wrote ...

Hmmm...U R saying the only contractors capable of doing quality work R the union shops.What about all the licensed,bonded, non-union shops in St.Joe county?They're not capable of doing these jobs?Quality issues?Again obviously U would hire companies that R licensed and bonded. Last I knew there were Proj Mgrs to oversee projects, Bldng Insp to inspect work,etc.so I fail to see where this would be a problem. Unlike U I choose to be frugal w/my $ and so should St.Joe county.It'd be a start.

Sunday, Mar 16 at 12:43 AM Anonymous wrote ...

I don't think it's the Dems that have been running this country for the last 8yrs.

Sunday, Mar 16 at 12:41 AM Anonymous wrote ...

hmmm, so you're in favor of giving all projects to union shops just because they're union?

Sunday, Mar 16 at 12:38 AM Anonymous wrote ...

hmmm says "cut welfare create criminals"? How will we notice a difference in South Bend. It's more like welfare itself has created criminals. It's taken the incentive away from the poor. "See more people homeless"? That's what we have now in South Bend and what Luecke, Bauer, Rea and Broden are promoting. It's what reducing taxes would prevent. How in the world do you think raising taxes would prevent people from losing their homes?

Sunday, Mar 16 at 12:33 AM Anonymous wrote ...

hmmm is getting desparate because he sees his boys in big trouble. Democrats are under the gun for years of deceit. Explain the huge debt, hmmm. Can you?

Saturday, Mar 15 at 10:43 PM hmmm wrote ...

giving any job to "low bidder" period? what about quality? do u want your child in a school that has been built by the cheapest means possible? how was my statement a threat? yes. i am a dem. cut welfare create criminals. understand that it is better to pay a little extra here and there than to see people lose homes/benefits/education...or would you rather see more people homeless, dropouts, rob to feed and pay their property tax..and how many more programs can be cut? where would you do the cut

Saturday, Mar 15 at 8:32 PM Kari wrote ...

This is for hmmmmm...GET A GRIP! I shouldn't have to "put up or shut up" if our local officials knew how to properly manage our money. Any projects in St. Joe county should go to low-bidder. Period. Not all their Union crony friends. If a Union shop is low bidder fine, if not, then it should be awarded to whomever is low bidder. Next time you people vote, think twice before pulling that straight Democratic ticket because that's what you and your family have always done. Do some research first!

Saturday, Mar 15 at 8:29 PM John wrote ...

hmmm is obviously a democrat. You can tell, because he doesn't understand the concept of a budget cut.

Saturday, Mar 15 at 7:48 PM Harley wrote ...

Our Mayor does not care about the taxpayers.All he cares about is kick backs ($$$)he receives from all of the city bonds purched.How do you think Kernan purchased the Silver Hawks ????? Come on people its time for a REVOLUTION !!!!

Saturday, Mar 15 at 7:31 PM Anonymous wrote ...

So, hmmm, does this mean you support this bill? Hmmmmm...

Saturday, Mar 15 at 7:27 PM Henry S. wrote ...

I suggest we reduce the budget of the South Bend Community School and Welfare Corporation. Over $10K per student per year for a 60% graduation rate is too expensive.

Saturday, Mar 15 at 7:21 PM Anonymous wrote ...

I think hmmm just threatened us. What are you going to do if we ignore you, hmmm? Lackey, Bauer, Dvorak and Rea need to be replaced. How's that for a start, hmmm?

Saturday, Mar 15 at 7:17 PM Anonymous wrote ...

hmmm, where have you been? Did you just walk in and immediately think you're smarter than all of us. This has been going on for years. The democrats have been overspending on everything, but they keep getting re-elected because of morons like you. The solution is to cut spending. Are you happy now?

Saturday, Mar 15 at 6:52 PM Anonymous wrote ...

Anonymous..maybe those people live down the street in your trailer park. I don't think anybody has business posting on this subject till you pass basic economics or government. Mayors do not set tax property tax rates!!!!! It is your township assessor. They assess your property value...thats why they have that title. Mayor Jeff has done a pretty good job getting us new tax money in. He must not give tax breaks to the new offices building by the new hospital. They will build without them.

Saturday, Mar 15 at 3:40 PM Anonymous wrote ...

Where are the idiots that wanted to build a new Marquette school? Do you still want to do that?

Saturday, Mar 15 at 2:58 PM hmmm wrote ...

i didn't read one real possible solution to any of the problems presented other than cutting pay.instead of bashing the people who voted for the dems.bashing the ones trying to find viable solutions..how about accepting that there is no quick fix to the probs..and it is normally easier for people to pay "a little extra" here and there than to come up with larger lump sum payments.sooo people "put up or shut up" and stop using this forum as a means to insult rather than offer intelligent remarks

Saturday, Mar 15 at 1:57 PM John Wesley wrote ...

Maybe property tax cuts will force the needed fiscal reform in St Joe county, the time to stop the gravy train has come, the time to get the politicians and all of their relatives off of the backs of the tax payers is here at last.

Saturday, Mar 15 at 1:28 PM Fred wrote ...

I second the motion on downsizing Luecke.

Saturday, Mar 15 at 1:18 PM Chaz wrote ...

Not ONCE in any of these replies on ANY stations website do I see ANYONE that voted for these idiots come and support them. Yet they won the election easily. C'mon Luecke and Dem voters! Where are you?! SPEAK UP!! Tell us how happy you are that you voted for these dumbsticks!! WHERE ARE YOU?! Why aren't you showing yourselves while your Dem leaders are sticking it to you?!! Do us all a favor, next election stay as quiet as you are now and stay home!!! COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Saturday, Mar 15 at 12:49 PM Anonymous wrote ...

"It came up short", huh Lackey. So did our mayor.

Saturday, Mar 15 at 12:22 PM Johnny wrote ...

Lets build some more milion dollar fire stations!!!!!

Saturday, Mar 15 at 12:15 PM Anonymous wrote ...

I THINK IT IS ABOUT TIME WE AS TAXPAYERS DOWNSIZE OUR COMPANY. I NOMINATE THE MAYOR TO BE THE FIRST ONE TO GO.

Saturday, Mar 15 at 10:55 AM Nick wrote ...

The citizens of South Bend are having to budget with alot less income and more expenses, why shouldnt the city.

Saturday, Mar 15 at 10:39 AM tough wrote ...

stevie, time to man-up. before he election you told us how wonderful so bend is under your ladership. we wnat real property tax relief. you should have been cutting spending all along. if you don't like what the legislaturre has done, QUIT. we need a leader, not a whiner!

Saturday, Mar 15 at 9:14 AM tax poor wrote ...

Perhaps those "big shots" will have new jobs next election!!!

Saturday, Mar 15 at 9:11 AM Lisa wrote ...

Live within your means like the rest of us must try to do. SO much govt waste even at the local level.

Saturday, Mar 15 at 9:08 AM Howard wrote ...

They could save a bunch of money if they would quit hiring outside firm's to dos all of these study's!!

Saturday, Mar 15 at 8:49 AM Mr.D wrote ...

Maybe top local government leaders will have to cancel city funded golf outings this year and start driving personal vehicles to work to save on gas, maybe Mishawaka can tighten the belt a little bit and be able to afford to put paint on the streets so people can actually see that it is only a one lane and not a two or three. The next thing city officials will tell us is that they cant fix the pot holes and streets because it was either save jobs or fix the roads. LETS TIGHTEN OUR BELTS CITIES!!

Saturday, Mar 15 at 8:07 AM mb wrote ...

I agree, local leaders, from the Mayor to the dogcatcher, need to take a pay cut and try to live like the rest of us taxpaying, working stiffs. Too much waste goin' on...

Saturday, Mar 15 at 8:06 AM CVT wrote ...

The american govnerment is a joke, They don't think twice about sending billions of dollars overseas. But can't even take care of there own american people. look at all the children we have that are starving, But that's ok in there eyes as long as their living high off the hog, Now that's pretty sad.

Saturday, Mar 15 at 7:57 AM Tim wrote ...

When are the people of South Bend going to wake up and stop electing Lueke who continues to mis-manage this city? South Bend is in the worst financial position of any city in the entire state. Sad! On top of that we have the worst county commissioners in the state. Dobson and his crew need to be replaced as well.

Saturday, Mar 15 at 5:07 AM Trebor wrote ...

Maybe the city will have to do like the rest of us now. When money gets tight in our household, we choose very carefully what we spend on or just stop spending.

Saturday, Mar 15 at 2:35 AM Anonymous wrote ...

Big shots never have to take a pay cut.

Saturday, Mar 15 at 12:37 AM Diane wrote ...

Maybe some of the "big shots" will have to take a pay cut so the rest of us can live like normal human beings who work hard for a living to have what little we have to call our own.

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