Should golf courses be considered farmland?

by Dustin Grove (grove@wsbt.com)

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Golf courses say they're agricultural business not commercial business

Indiana golf course owners are pushing the state to change their classification from commercial business to agricultural business — a move that could save them thousands in property taxes. (WSBT photo)

GRANGER — The next time you play a round of golf, take a good look around. Does all that green space look like a business or farmland?

Indiana golf course owners are pushing the state to consider their land as agriculture. In many cases, that could save them tens of thousands of dollars in taxes.

To golf course owners, it's very simple. They say they're more of an agricultural operation than a traditional commercial business.

Why do they care so much? You would too if you saw their property tax bill.

“Golf courses are paying anywhere from $30,000 to well over $100,000 in property taxes,” explained Linda Rogers, owner of Juday Creek Golf Club in Granger and member of the Golf Course Owners Association.

Classified as a commercial business, taxes are capped at 3 percent of their property's value.

“Some golf courses are truly struggling,” Rogers said.

So they're lobbying state lawmakers for a change in identity.

“As golf course owners we feel that we fall more in line with agriculture,” Rogers said.

That's right, agriculture. It may be a long-shot, but owners say it could slice their tax bill considerably.

Tax bills for agricultural operations are capped at 2 percent of the property's value.

At Juday Creek, the difference would save them nearly $14,000.

“We have large tracts of land like agriculture, we're seasonal, and of course we're weather-dependent,” Rogers explained. And grass, she says, is their crop.

Some courses in other states are considered agricultural; but it's not without controversy.

“That's not the appropriate way,” said St. Joseph County Commissioner Steve Ross. “Do the ice cream parlors that close during the winter, do they get a tax break because they're closed? That's their choice.”

Even golfers are split.

“That's a tough question,” one golfer told WSBT News. “It’s more of a business.”

“It's a business but again it's seasonal also,” another said. “Especially up north here; down south I could see where it'd be more of a business than agriculture.”

Owners will have to wait until January when lawmakers return to the Statehouse to get an answer to their plea for relief on the links.

County officials estimate they'd lose more than $100,000 in property tax money if those caps were to change for golf course owners.

But half of the 14 golf courses in St. Joseph County are publicly owned by the city or Notre Dame so they don't pay taxes.

Private course owners say, with these property tax bills, they're forced to subsidize their competition. That's another reason they're pushing for relief along with fairer assessments.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 7:41 PM Cornfusion wrote ...

Okay, you don't like THAT idea, not to worry, try this! We charge malls a tax for every car that parks on their property AFTER they arrange for GURLEY LEEP to buy the right to come in and appraise all cars present. Think of it as the biggest used car in five states with the fastest turning inventory in the world! AND DON'T FORGET, the County gets to charge .25 per wheel for wheel tax! Come in, shop, come out YOUR CARS SOLD! Now you can pay off the charges you just racked up on your VISA inside!

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 2:29 PM Glen wrote ...

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME THAT IS THE DUMBEST THING I HAVE EVER HEARD, GOLFING IS A LUXURY NOT AN AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION!!! The only reason they want to do this is so they can pay less tax.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 1:39 PM Aaron wrote ...

And the city owns golf courses why? Of course I understand Notre Dame needing 2 courses it is so educational, not.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 12:49 PM Cindy wrote ...

This story opened my eyes to the fact that my property taxes subsidize the citys golf courses. I am not a golfer. Why should I pay for other peoples golf?

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 12:23 PM Mitch wrote ...

Notre Dame is the big giant in this county that breaks every not for profit law there is. They are totally for profit, and make lots of it. You are not supposed to mix sales in with non profit revenues, but they certainly do by the millions the football program takes in and their bookstore alone. It's time for them to pay their share.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 11:54 AM Dorf wrote ...

Well, they are polluting our ground water with all the chemicals they use, so I guess they are just like the agricultural industry. Check out a link between cancer and golf. You'd be surprised at all the chemicals that are used to keep the grass green. Not to mention all the water that is wasted. Getting green doesn't actually mean going green in this case.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 11:53 AM Anonymous wrote ...

so whens the harvest?

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 11:38 AM conditional yes wrote ...

yes, on two conditions: one, they introduce farm animals. Two, cow patty = mulligan.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 11:24 AM Rakell C. wrote ...

Churches and sinagoges are exempt because they dont have large space where corn could grow. Now, if the ND golf course is not exempt, then start construction of a large cathedral like the one on St. Peters square and start evangelizing all this drunks, druggies, thieves, thugs and meth makers and enter into heaven their sins forgiven and those large golf courses will turn into an open gate into heaven. That should be tax exempt because they are saving souls for the good of mankind.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 11:09 AM Marcia wrote ...

She didn't say they were a farm, they are similar, I totally get it. Everyone here seems to be against the golfers? Why? At least these businesses are providing jobs. Sure tax them until they are out of business and send more people to the unemployment lines. Makes lots of sense to me. Why is everyone so bitter?

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 11:01 AM Joe wrote ...

I hate it when people only associate golf with rich, it is not. It costs me less to take my son out for 9-holes than it does to take him to a movie and we get to enjoy the outdoors and spend quality time together and I am certainly an average guy not a big business executive. You people are all just not golfers and can't look at the situation without negativity. They are just asking for fair treatment and when half of the courses don't pay property tax that is a problem.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 10:56 AM LOL wrote ...

Farms and "agriculture" means they produce a crop of some sort... the only crop that golf courses "produce" is crooked dirty politicians... what an insult to a pig!

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 10:41 AM Joe wrote ...

At least golf courses are paying something. How about the fact that something like 50 - 75% of the businesses downtown South Bend dont' pay anything! Someone should look into that. Underhanded deals here and there, its a joke.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 10:28 AM Ellie wrote ...

The thing that gets me is farmers are all subsidized anyways who really knows what taxes they pay.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 10:27 AM Steve wrote ...

I have actually played Juday Creek, I am not some super rich business man. I thought it was very nice, that family seem to be down to earth people who work very hard like the rest of us. I do think that it is unfair that they have to compete against the government and Notre Dame. I can't believe that 7 of 14 public golf courses don't pay taxes that is the real problem. Just think about your employer having to compete against Uncle Sam or the Vatican, not really fair is it?

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 10:21 AM Arnie wrote ...

If they want to be agricultural, I say let them. Plant soybeans in the rough and corn to indicate out of bounds. They can let cows and sheep graze in the fairway, to make cutting the grass cheaper. If your ball stops in a "pile", play it as it lies. That's how they play it in Scotland.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 10:15 AM Tom wrote ...

The percent doesn't matter to me because they just pass the money on to the golfer which I am not, but why does Notre Dame not pay on thier course that is wrong and why is the city in the golf business anyways? They should sell those courses so we could collect the taxes on the property. As I said golf business, not golf government. Just like the bailout government getting into things they shouldn't.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 10:07 AM truth wrote ...

Whether a golf course, farm or house,the reason all our taxes have or are going up is all the rinky dink "pastor pete" churchs that are on every corner especially on the west side, who are property tax exempt. Those are the one that need taxes imposed. Im sure golf courses farmers and homeowner are paying more than fair share.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 9:29 AM Flipside wrote ...

Well this is just so unamerican I can barely breathe! All these rich people just want to avoid taxes all the time. How do they expect a government to work without funds? Oh of course, the working and middle class can pay for it instead. If these golf course owners want to consider themselves agriculture, they need to get some sheeps and corn growing on their precious grass "crop". Disgusting.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 9:11 AM me wrote ...

The article states that the Notre Dame golf course does not pay taxes......why not? A golf course has nothing to do with education and money is charged...this is a business and thus should be paying property taxes. If everyone paid their fair share then property tax rates would not be an issue. Educational institutions should only be exempt on educational buildings...all other buildings should be taxed especially if they earn money from them.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 9:10 AM Jim wrote ...

Construction worker are laid off in the winter, times are hard for them. So I say NO!!!

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 9:10 AM Anonymous wrote ...

dear really ,who do you think use the golf coarses most?hmmm>the big business men! TAX THE HELL OUT OF THEM ANY WAY YOU CAN!

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 9:02 AM ME wrote ...

If they get to pay taxes as a farmer then they will have to correct the assessments for all property owners that have a garden. That would be the only right thing to do. Might make more people start planting their own vegetables .. then we would not need the farmers..thus we would not need the golf courses. Golf courses are for entertainment NOT farming. GET A LIFE!

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 8:39 AM Anonymous wrote ...

What is the intended purpose (how is it used) of the property and does it yield a crop? Case closed.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 8:34 AM Konrad M. wrote ...

Golf courses are not a farmland. You cant get corn out of a golf course. No cows, pigs or goats allowed or grown on this privated premises. Golf courses are for the rich and powerful. Now if you got some money you can pay for the use of the premises otherwise it is private. We know this people want to skip taxes on their property thats why they are trying to xtort others and make them think it is a farm therefore we will not pay taxes and the money from clients and members will comi in all the t

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 7:13 AM Myrt wrote ...

I always have a garden, do I get a tax break too?????

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 7:13 AM Rocket III wrote ...

What are the golf courses giving back to the community? What food source to they supply. Think about this, they cover their property taxes buy charging us more to play golf. We do not have that luxury. Golf and Golf courses are for recreation and entertainment. If any of our representatives actually consider this action we MUST kick them out of office. Furthermore, I cannot believe that the golf course operators can actually talk about this with a straight face. Come on people WAKE UP!!!!

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 6:48 AM here in south bend wrote ...

HOLD ON the good people of our county.I would not be to surprised if this actually works,think about it if golf courses start to fold. where are all the corrupt officials gonna go to relax. i mean god forbid they raise the playing fees or better yet they can cut costs and actually be considered agricultual by adding cows to the greens to graze but that would be more job losses in michiana,just like getting a property tax break and now the county wants to hike up taxes to offset the loss

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 6:21 AM WSonny wrote ...

Bull Snot! Just the rich trying to get out of paying their taxes, plain and simple!

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 5:55 AM Anonymous wrote ...

OHHHHHH-HAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! Stop- I cant breathe!!

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 4:59 AM boomer954 wrote ...

just another way for the rich to get out peying what they should for taxes!! why don't they charge alittle more to play than trying to chare the tax payer

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 11:13 PM Cornfusion wrote ...

All kidding aside, last week I went by a very popular course and could have sworn I saw a couple of cows looking for a bull. Turned out to be a couple of woman looking for a ball. Sure looked like they were grazing at a glance. "j" is that okay if I talked twice on this one, I mean not having a life and all.

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 10:13 PM Elaine K wrote ...

You've got to be kidding! I can't believe that lady sat in front of a TV camera and said that with a straight face, let me know when they start selling that grass, I need new grass for my lawn. Oh, wait....if they sell their "crop" of grass they will have to golf on the dirt!! Better yet let me know who they sell their grass to, I have a lawn full!!!

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 9:34 PM Really? wrote ...

I say work the system and get a tax break by any means possible, golf course, small business, whatever. The heck with the government, they just give tax money (like $700 Billion) to BIG businesses anyway.

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 9:27 PM No way wrote ...

I cant believe this group can present their case with a straight face. Agriculture would mean growing something for PROFIT; unless they're planning on selling the greens, they dont qualify. Kwitcher whinin' and get back to work.

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 8:20 PM Todd wrote ...

You have got to be kidding me! This is an entertainment business..not a farmer. Does this mean I get farm credits because I grow grass and flowers in my yard? This is a slap in the face to farmers. Growing plants is only part of the Ag industry...it's purpose is to feed and supply...not provide somebody with a place to have fun.

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 7:21 PM Cornfusion wrote ...

Old McDonald had a farm, e-i-e-i-o and on this land he placed some holes, e-i-e-i-o. With a sand trap here and a par 4 there, here's a green there's a green everywhere there's green, green, putt putt here, putt putt there ,here's a putt there's putt, everywhere a putt putt, Old McDonald had a farm, e-i-e-i-o!I gotta tell ya,I'm not seeing it. Now if you want to talk about someone turning their land into a farm think in terms of someone who's constantly planting things; like people in cemeteries!

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 7:06 PM curly wrote ...

Perhaps ND and City of SB should be taxed to equal the playing field. Hmmmm......

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 7:04 PM curly wrote ...

Main Entry:ag£ri£cul£ture Pronunciation:*a-gri-*k*l-ch*r Function:noun Etymology:Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin agricultura, from ager field cultura cultivation — more at ACRE, CULTURE Date:15th century : the science, art, or practice of cultivating the soil, producing crops, and raising livestock and in varying degrees the preparation and MARKETING of the RESULTING PRODUCTS. Their product is recreation or frustration. Can you buy their turf to plant at home? C'mon now!!

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 6:50 PM Nathan wrote ...

P-lease!!!!!!

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 6:46 PM maureen wrote ...

What a load of crap!If I were a farmer I'd be in an uproar over this.Let's see I own just over five acres of land and grow a lot of trees, do I qualify as agricultural?Can I get a tax break?Charge more greens fees, that will take care of the problem.Besides most of these golf courses have club houses that are rented out year round for parties,so they technically aren't just seasonal.

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 6:38 PM wild bill wrote ...

I have to agree with the Rogers. I played out there this year and it was more of a cow pasture than a golf course.

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 6:15 PM TJ wrote ...

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and looks like a duck IT MUST BE A DUCK. It looks like a golf course, you play a game of golf on it. It must be a golf course. DUH.

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 6:08 PM Buchanan Chick wrote ...

It's a golf course.......I don't see them growing anything other than grass. Maybe if they started growing some kind of crop.

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 5:54 PM okay wrote ...

Interesting story, but will this be passed on to the golfer? It's an expensive hobby.

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