Firefighters, trustees fight government reform commission

by Kelli Cheatham (kcheatham@wsbt.com)

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Several township fire departments in Elkhart County could be consolidated to save money under a plan being considered by the township trustees. (WSBT photo)

By Jim Pinkerton

ELKHART COUNTY — Elkhart County firefighters are fighting consolidation, and township trustees are coming together in an effort to keep their jobs. It all stems from the Commission on Local Government Reform.

Former South Bend Mayor Joe Kernan co-chaired that committee. The Kernan-Shepard report, issued last December, recommended wiping out township government. It also suggested state-wide consolidation of schools and police and fire departments.

That report is part of an attempt to streamline government and cut costs.
Some local governments don't think it's fair. That's why several Elkhart County trustees and firefighters met Tuesday night.

They're trying to pull together a grass roots effort to fight the Kernan-Shepard Commission.

When Elkhart County firefighters get a call, they respond to 16 designated areas as 16 separate townships.

"What the townships don't want to do is lose the autonomy they have, the responsibility and the ability to control our resources," said Cleveland Township Fire Board of Directors President Cliff Daly.

But one recommendation from the Kernan-Shepard report calls to merge fire departments and emergency services county-wide.

"It's not publicized," said Concord Township Fire Deputy Chief Scott Maurer. "No one really knows what's going on."

Many local fire departments are already in the red.

Cleveland Township's Cliff Daly said the state is denying departments funds to run them the way they need to be run.

"To try and combine, I don't see the cost savings," said Scott Maurer.

In Elkhart County, talk of merging brings uncertainty.

"No one's guaranteed their job," Maurer told WSBT. "And I guess that kind of scares a lot of people, myself included."

As fire departments fight consolidation, township trustees are actually joining together in an effort to try and keep their jobs.

Under the Kernan-Shepard Commission, County Commissioners and township government would be replaced by one elected county executive.

"I think that gives too much power to one person," said Cleveland Township Trustee Kathy Gordon.

That one person would appoint all other county offices except the Prosecutor.

"Our goals are to educate the public about what repercussions there will be in eliminating township government," Gordon explained.

Those efforts might be too little, too late. Fifteen township assessor positions were eliminated July 1. Since Concord Township has more than 15,000 parcels of land, those voters will chose to keep or get rid of theirs on November 4.

In St. Joseph County, Penn and Portage Township voters will also decide whether to keep their assessors.

Right now, Elkhart County trustees and firefighters are trying to get the word out and raise money to lobby state legislators before they meet in January.

Elkhart County trustees and firefighters are holding a public meeting next Tuesday, October 21 at 6:30 p.m. It's at Concord Fire Station 1 on County Road 18.

The goal is to educate taxpayers on how the Kernan-Shepard Commission affects them.

Monday, Oct 27 at 2:17 PM Debra Stoffer wrote ...

As Concord Township Trustee I would like to clarify a few things. 1)we are all very good at providing mutual aid to other departments, 2) we don't mind consolidating IF it saves taxpayer dollars however, no one has shown that will be, Marion County Study on Consolidation has shown that this is has not proven to be cost effective or productive, 3) I personally don't want one elected county official appointing all currently elected positions, taxpayers lose their voice in how they are governed

Saturday, Oct 18 at 12:13 PM Elk Co. EMT/FF wrote ...

I do not disagree with making mutual aid contracts; however, we must consider which situation is best for the community, a local department which knows the resources surrounding it and the area or a department run by someone outside the community who may have no clue how different Concord and Osolo townships are. Keeping fire departments township run will only aid in emergency response to communities!

Friday, Oct 17 at 3:51 PM EMT wrote ...

My department actually has the papers saying that he is not allowed to be an EMT in Elkhart county.

Thursday, Oct 16 at 10:55 PM Even more entertaining... wrote ...

I've met John Wesley. The first year of my past 9 as becoming an emt he saw me with my ems jacket on in walmart and approached me. He asked if I knew who he was, I said no. I thought some old man stalker? So, he intro'd himself saying if you've heard of me, I'm sure it wasn't good things. LOL I think that speaks for itself.

Thursday, Oct 16 at 4:11 PM Hey wrote ...

AND John Wesley does NOT oversee any department. He is a township board member that is scorned over being kicked off a department.

Thursday, Oct 16 at 4:08 PM Hey wrote ...

Does anybody know John Wesley? I do. He was kicked off one of these departments that we are talking about. I don't think he can be unbiased.

Thursday, Oct 16 at 1:48 PM Irritated wrote ...

I have read the comments on this story AND the other story on the "merge" and to be quite honest, I'm not sure why people have issues about Osolo. I've heard things about Osolo Fire but EMS??! Come On !!! At least Osolo is ALS unlike other townships that feel they need ALS intercept on a BLS call. Merging is ridiculous I think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thursday, Oct 16 at 10:11 AM veteran ff wrote ...

alot of these comments about township fire departments fighting among themselves are false. yes it is true that township fire departments are proud of what they have achieved in the past and are always looking toward the future. their main concern is always the saftey of the residence and going home alive.they train and work very well together. when they recieve a call, there response times are very good and not 35 min, and I challange anybody to prove otherwise.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 6:50 PM Dan Elk Co FF/EMT wrote ...

I agree that the bickering leads nowhere. The four departments in question already have existing mutual aid agreements and enhance each other through these. Our departments are understaffed and compared to the "professional" departments, extremely underpaid. We make due with what we have and provide equal, if not a superior, level of service and professionalism. We will continue to do so no matter if we are four departments or one. We are gracious for the opportunity to serve our community

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 6:39 PM Cocnerned Citizen wrote ...

Elk Co Firefighter... Thanks for the honest answer! We all really do appreciate what you guys do for everyone. Keep up the good work, and God Bless. I hope something good comes out of the discussions, whether it combines or not.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 5:18 PM Elk Co Firefighter wrote ...

The truth is National standards say you should have a minimum of 12 firefighters on scene of a small fire initially. that is within 1-2 minutes of first arriving truck. truth is no county dept. can curently meet that goal unless it happens while a training is going on. Volunteerism is on a decline, not only here but nationally. The truth is all four of the townships are under staffed.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 5:12 PM Elk Co Firefighter wrote ...

concerned citizen. I agree we all do need to stop this bickering between us. We all need to work better together, and yes it is no ones fault but our own. There is alot of pride out there, and that can be a good thing or a bad thing. I know myself and most of the firefighters are willing to take a look at what ever we can do to better serve you. If consolidation is it than yes we should do that. Please remember that we do what we do for you, the citizen.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 3:24 PM Dan Elk. Co FF/EMT wrote ...

Thank you for validating my point.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 3:18 PM roy wrote ...

A fire left uninterrupted will double in size every 30 seconds. Sometimes houses burn down. You can hardly blame the fire dept.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 3:03 PM Concerned Citizen wrote ...

I rest my case...*sigh*

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 2:54 PM John Wesley wrote ...

Yes i try to oversee a department but we are plaqued by and hamstrung by the same problems that all of the departments have, gotta be bigger and better regardless of the outcome to the taxpayer, I fought the building of such a grandiose station and the board turned down the departments request to purchase an aerial truck but they did it anyway. Which is just the way that the typical department thinks, gotta have more, gotta have bigger, gotta have better, the taxpayer be damned.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 2:18 PM Osolo Resident wrote ...

Dan...It wasn't my house, I'm not calling anyone. The fact stand on their own, too bad the house no longer is...

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 2:11 PM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 wrote ...

I'm sure all the gov officials and firefighters are against this. Why? Maybe they don't want to lose their jobs and power. Boo hoo

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 2:08 PM Dan Elk Co. FF/EMT wrote ...

And to the ANONYMOUS Osolo resident, please feel free to stop down and discuss your concerns with the firefighters that serve you. I guarantee it has NEVER, NEVER taken 35 minutes for an Osolo truck to respond to a call for service within the township limits. If you feel that this has happened please call 533-4151 and ask for the actual incident times from the dispatch center. Until you do one of these things, please keep your outlandish, and fabricated comments to yourself.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 2:01 PM Resident wrote ...

I'm all for giving the the departements what they need to do the jobs we ask of them and keep Them safe while saving us, but if they're not going to share and continue this deaprtmental "pride" BS to the detrement of the communities, I think some combining of forces and loss of jobs might just be the needed fix to all of this......

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 1:58 PM Cocnerned Citizen wrote ...

With all the firedepartment bickering on here, and the well known arguments, hate and territoralism between departments...it would be nice to see some faster response times, some cooperation, some sort of positive tangible returns to the community if we are to stay the same. Honestly, the examples listed on here so far with the slow reponses, failures to save, and childish bickering, it doesn't sound like it could get much worse for the citizens with a combined force working to help the people.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 1:49 PM Fabwel Employee wrote ...

To Dan Elkhart County FF: Are you sure the Fabwel fire is a good example for you, if I remember right, another resounding failure to save anything but the foundation. I could've done as much with the garden hose as was accomplished with the arial truck. Fun toy, but if we're going to continue the intra-township fighting, what good is it all. Consolidate them, fire those who don't get along, enough of this.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 1:24 PM Dan Elk. Co. FF/EMT wrote ...

And Todd, I don't know what department you were on, but it sounds like you were the stereotypical put a blue light on my truck and fight fire kinda guy. Department pride? The pride I have in my department is because of the community first attitude we have, and the professionalism we conduct ourselves with. If bringing in outside agencies, personnel, or equipment can better enhance our life and property saving capabilities then we would never object to it. Get your facts straight Mr. FORMER!

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 1:24 PM dave goshen wrote ...

Seems to me,that if we had people in charge with business experiance, instead of political experiance, we might just have enough money to run these over taxed townships. But then again, local government is now just like state and federal government. Why it is taking so long for taxpayers to say "ENOUGH ALREADY"? If it was because you were working and didn't have time to be involved, I'm sure there's plenty of time for some of us now. If you can blog here, then write your represenitives.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 1:20 PM Dan Elk Co. FF/EMT wrote ...

Mr. Wesley also fails to mention that he now oversees a fire department that built a $2 million dollar fire station and purchased a used aerial truck without providing any training in aerial apparatus operations for its members. This same fire department is in the process of building a 2nd fire station that they will be unable to man and the tax payers can ill afford. So maybe Mr. Wesley should move out of his glass house before he throws any more stones.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 1:15 PM ff joe wrote ...

Consolidation for some departments, in which synergies can be identified, make eminent sense. If 3 departments combine, 2 administrations may be eliminated. The savings in consolidation comes from reduced personnel costs not fewer stations/vehicles. This makes identifying synergies between volunteer and career dept difficult as many volunteer dept.s don't have paid chiefs. This is the sticking point for combining departments and yes "turf" protection will play a large part too!

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 1:07 PM Elk Co firefighter wrote ...

To answer your question of would it save millions of tax dollars. the answer is no. It would cost more. I am not saying as a firefighter I am agianst this proposal, all we are saying is we would like someone from the state to explain what they want to see happen, and yes I do not want to lose my job no one does. As for the democrat or republican comment I myself vote most of the time to the rep. side. And the stations concord has all I can say is you get what you pay for, pole barns dont last

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 12:45 PM Jen wrote ...

The townships NEED to keep their township trustees. One of the most beneficial services they provide is poor relief to their own constituents. If you centralize the township trustees, transportation to a centralized government office MAY be a problem for some citizens. Also, resources used for poor relief may not get back to help the citizens in our more rural townships....those funds may be distributed to those who live in larger towns in the county. Just something to think about.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 12:43 PM Osolo Resident wrote ...

Consolidate them! I'm so sick of the stupid osolo and cleveland and city departments infighting. Perhaps it wouldn't have required three sepearte tone-outs to get a consolidated fire department to respond to a house fire like Osolo. It would have been nice to have them arrive within 35 minutes of the first 911 call. I know for a fact the city trucks would have arrived on scene within 7 minutes. Thanks Osolo...my tax money is well spent there, and this is just ONE example.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 12:29 PM Fire Friend wrote ...

they live in but ask the question of what is more important getting the publics there jobs back or bringing in new companies to make availble more jobs or try to reinvent the wheel. I understand that not having figures and facts really hurts everbodies opiion but matbe just maybe the report comm. should have brought those to the forfront before publishing a silly report.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 12:25 PM Fire friend wrote ...

Anonymous please understand this, stations are built with two things in mind time and use. Just like any government purchase it is more than likely it was built for the least amount of dollar. I know for a fact that Concord's two stations were built too last, and for people to of the community to use as a meeting place. I am really sorry that with prices rising and loss of jobs that happening that it is easy to say that hard working people don't deserve nice things to represent the community...

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 12:23 PM Dan Elk Co. FF/EMT wrote ...

Mr. Wesley, there is a reason you are a FORMER member of the fire and EMS service. Your backwards thinking of being reactive instead of proactive is precisely what has brought many of these problems where they are today. Maybe if the ALS provider that was charging $85K per year had been staffed with people that had an ounce of personalilty or bedside manner, maybe you wouldn't have lost that relationship. I suppose you also think the Fabwell fire could have been fought without aerial trucks!

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 12:06 PM John Wesley wrote ...

Concord had to have 2 new fancy stations, so that they could be better than Bristol with their new station, a few years back they were going to get an ambulance with a crew cab so it would be better than Osolo EMS with their xtra cab, and i have told them that these items are not needed, if an aerial is really needed they are available in minutes from Elkhart, with out spending sorely needed Township funds to satify the "Peter Principle".

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 11:08 AM Anonymous wrote ...

I think all of county government should be merged. It would save millions of tax dollars. This is just sour grapes on these fire fighters. I bet if you ask them if they are a democrat or repulican, they would say democrat. The democrats can't give the governor any credit for cleaning up their mess.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 11:04 AM Anonymous wrote ...

To FF: Please explain to me why Concord Township Fire NEEDED the TWO extremely expensive new buildings they built???? They could have been serving the public just fine with buildings that weren't so extravagant. Especially the one on CR 18!!

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 10:32 AM Todd wrote ...

I was a volunteer fire fighter and EMT for a long time. This is just department pride that is getting in the way of tax payers dollars. Stations are very territorial and they don't want outsiders coming in. It's time to set aside pride and get somethings done for the tax payer. Townships are not the least costly to run..they are quite expensive with the pubic safety and poor relief they are required to do.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 9:26 AM FF wrote ...

John Wesley- Although there may not be a building over 2 stories high, the ariels are extremely useful in other ways. And please tell me what department you are talking about!? Id like to see you go down to any of these 5 stations and tell them this!

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 8:27 AM Lornell O. wrote ...

Are you a Scientist? Do you have a degree in Sociology or at least pshychology? Then, you should know that this issue is political. People want to get power through politics and this consolidation is because someone wants to get hold of everybodys job and then if they scream and cry aloud then they can get voted in. There is a writing on the wall. Read my lips. There will be a change in everything. God never changes and His word will last forever. Heaven and earth will pass away but my words....

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 8:25 AM John Wesley wrote ...

Townships are the least costly form of government, but the fire portion of township government is out of control. When 5 townships, none with a structure over 2 stories high, have spent in excess of 3 hundred thousand dollars each for an aerial apparatus, that is a waste of taxpayer money. When a township pays 85 thousand a year for paramedic level service, then starts its own basic service at a cost of 125 thousand a year and still has to pay extra for paramedic when needed that is a waste.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 7:45 AM ff/medic wrote ...

,(and i cringe to ask this)is anyone that is hollering educated on the potential impact of this report enough to say that for the greater good it might be a good thing.(i don't know) fighting change because it's change is not prudent. listen, learn, listen some more and learn even more, and then decide. and in final, in reality i think the time is too short, and its going to happen regardless.

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 7:40 AM ff/medic wrote ...

losing their jobs, and not liking losing their power and control over the budgets. i heard one person commment that this was like socialism, to elect one county leader and have them appoint the heads of departments. what are we gettng ready to do in november?? elect one person to head the nation , and appoint his dept heads. we would be like a city made with a mayor, and his appointed heads. i do understand the loss of personal contact with poor relief constituents, but in the big picture

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 7:36 AM ff/medic wrote ...

first before you comment on the issue you should be informed and read the report, this is a large encompassing thing. i can understand people fighting to keep their jobs, especially with todays economy. i can understand volunteer departments wanting to keep their services, there is a lot of pride and dedication that is to be honored and appreciated. but...so far i haven't heard hard facts why this report is bad for the STATE of indiana. so far it seems like people are upset about POTENTIALLY

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 7:13 AM Cornfusion wrote ...

Some may consider this to be a stroke of 'genius' when in actuality it's Daniels stroking the state, AGAIN! This follows the same concept of privatizing, delegating people to look out for residents, citizens, Hoosiers and taxpayers on a personal level. I really don't want a German Shepard guarding MY steak. You may think 'Board Member' is looking out for himself but at least he had the integrity to identify himself AS a board member. This program is a crock and another reason to vote INDEPENDANT

Wednesday, Oct 15 at 4:05 AM Board Member wrote ...

Townships are one of the least costly forms of government that we have. Most are part time positions that have lower wages and no benefits. They are made up of local people that are part of the community, living and working with their constituents. To do away with townships would be like taking away an advocate for local individuals and having someone at the center of the county dictate what few crumbs the outlaying areas would get. Of the people by the people for the people....PLEASE>>>>>

Tuesday, Oct 14 at 11:44 PM A demo wrote ...

I like Joe Kernan. That said, he needs to get the hell out and keep the hell out of politics. He's actually TOO nice of a guy to be involved with it. I realize that he never expected to have to take over for O'Bannon after his fatal stroke but c'mon, the guy didn't have a clue and couldn't say 'no' to any associates looking for any kind of support. I will never know why he accepted this responsibility from Daniels. It's really quite inconsistent with where you think his loyalties would lie.

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