Fans sound off on Weis' return

By Dustin Grove (grove@wsbt.com)

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Charlie Weis and Ty Willingham

In this Sept. 24, 2005, file photo, Washington coach Tyrone Willingham, left, and Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis shake hands after an NCAA college football game in Seattle. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson, File)

By Beth Boehne

SOUTH BEND — It was all the buzz Wednesday on ESPN, on the front page of sports sections, and the talk of the town in South Bend.

“Weis is coming back next year,” said one man as he stood in line for a cup of coffee at the South Bend Chocolate Café.

“I think it’s great, I really do,” said Tom Doyle, as he manned the cash register at Idle Hours Used Book Shop downtown.

After two disappointing seasons and rumors of a contract buyout, the University of Notre Dame officially announced Wednesday morning that Weis will return for a fifth season.

“He’s a good coach,” Doyle said. “But he might have to change some assistants.”

Not everyone was so happy.

“I didn’t want him back,” said John Squint as he sat at a café table sipping coffee. “I don’t think I’m the only one.”

As for why Squint thinks Weis was invited back: “I think it was money. They couldn’t afford to pay out the rest of his contract.”

Others, including South Bend Tribune sports columnist Jeff Carroll, called the university’s decision a double standard. In 2004, Notre Dame fired head coach Tyrone Willingham after two dismal seasons.

“The Willingham firing after the 2004 season today looks like it was the right decision, considering his abysmal performance since then at the University of Washington,” Carroll wrote. “Notre Dame better hope that retaining Weis looks like a genius stroke some day, as well. Otherwise, consider a decade under the Dome completely tarnished.”

In this football town where pigskin is golden, fans say, no matter who the coach is from year to year, the Irish legacy will live on.

“Notre Dame’s going to survive. They’ll be fine,” said one downtown shopper.

But others here are just wondering what all the fuss is about. When asked whether they followed Notre Dame football, a group of about six businessmen quickly responded; “No. We’re trying not to.”

Wednesday, Dec 10 at 12:31 PM bart wrote ...

the only bowl they deserve is the cry baby bowl or the crappy bowlwhere charlie and jimmy should spend time together more and then maybe without them notre dame will start to win some games with teams that have winning records

Wednesday, Dec 10 at 12:23 PM bart wrote ...

hey charlie you are a discrace to notre dame with all the same play calling high school team can call better plays than you get a real job like at a dougnut shop

Friday, Dec 5 at 9:47 AM Priorities wrote ...

Its just a game. What does it really matter?

Thursday, Dec 4 at 11:10 PM Cornfusion wrote ...

Good point Dillweed and you're right, they lack the confidence and intimidation that comes with size and strength, BUT! My son was coached by a man that played under Vince Lombardi and his philosophy was, "You show me heart and I'll make you a champion!" And he delivered. Some of his linebackers were smaller and lighter than wide receivers but many of them were all conference! Other teams were shocked and when asked how it was possible he'd reply that his players have the size where it counts.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 9:41 PM Adam wrote ...

Coach does deserve another chance. He cannot be compared to Tyrone. Tyrone lost and did not bring in the recruiting classes that Charlie has. Two years and nothing then he is gone. I would venture to say he will resign himself at that point. A coach that is trying to give life to a once prominent program has to have time. I'm a "U" fan and I believe the Irish are improved and are on the rise. If the irish learn how to put a team away they have 3 more wins 9&3 not bad!

Thursday, Dec 4 at 7:01 PM Dillweed wrote ...

Most of our players are not bulked or ripped like all the other winning teams! I've noticed this for a long time. I think it is their strength and condition programs! This would also account for why we only seem to be able to put 30 min. of decent football down. In my hay day, I was as strong as half the NFL guys. I bet in six months even at forty I could be stronger than half of our players, and that's sad.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 5:56 PM LOVES ND wrote ...

Nd basketball and hockey that is.... Im done with Chuck and his sorry football team. Thank you Mike Brey and Jeff Jackson for giving us competitive and EXCITING teams to watch.Maybe you could clue Charlie in on how to coach.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 5:55 PM Suzanne wrote ...

Thats one z, thanks- & whats with the nasty attack 2:43? Do u know me, cuz u obviously post like u do? And if u were reading my post correctly, I never spoke of money, just my happiness that Weis is staying and that fans are quick to turn on the team. Its a sad sad shame that some ppl skewer others for their personal views in a country founded on it. Its a news site- lower ur blood pressure and put up ur tree or something. Dont be hateful 4 the sake of being hateful. Ur family must be proud.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 5:22 PM Smurf wrote ...

If you look at the rust belt teams from conferences like the big ten there are few great teams. Most of the great players are going south or far west where the weather is good. It is going to be hard to compete against the SEC, Big 12 or PAC10.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 5:07 PM dave wrote ...

Charlie they're giving you another chance to prove yourself-great! I for one believe you are capable. The one person that is not is Jimmy Clausen. He is disaster waiting, let me rephrase that. Disaster happening. If you want that offense to happen, you need to get him out of there! He is not the man for the job. He is slow, holds on to the ball for to long, cannot scramble. Charlie, you are faster than him! He's pathetic. The offense is going no place with him back there. Look at other teams.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 4:28 PM Linda wrote ...

Solve the entire problem. Get rid of Norte Dame sports and focus on education. I'm sick of hearing about the "GREAT" Notre Dame. It's only a game. Three hours of pregame crap before the game and lots of time after the game rehashing the Bullcrap. No one hears about how the school is for an education.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 4:23 PM Blumpuh! wrote ...

The football program needs stability and a chance to fix all the problems it has. Changing head coaches every few years is never going to fix things, and of course nobody of any stature will ever want to come to ND to coach. Give Weis at least one, maybe two more years to fix things. Blumpuh!

Thursday, Dec 4 at 3:43 PM Anonymous wrote ...

11:48? Give me a break! Do you guys HAVE any set criteria for what you'll post?

Thursday, Dec 4 at 3:29 PM mike wrote ...

In 2 years, everyone will forget this story, ND will be BCS National Champions. Jimmy Clausen throwing TDs to Mike Floyd. It's gonna be amazing. Hopefully the rest of our highly touted recruits can step up and we get a solid, fast, DEFENSE. I could be the Coach in 2 years and we would win the National Championship. Forget about "Nasty", let's bring the "FOOTBALL" back to ND Football. I should send my resume in. I'd work for 50k a year, and surround myself with people that love ND football

Thursday, Dec 4 at 3:04 PM Anonymous wrote ...

Hey, "N". How did your basketball team do last night?

Thursday, Dec 4 at 2:51 PM ND Fan wrote ...

Ty couldn't recruit, nor could he coach. Charlie can recruit. There's your explanation for the 5th year. I don't care what color Ty is, he is not good in ANY aspect of the game. I think next year, there should be weekly tryouts. The best player gets the start that week. None of this keeping a player in for playing poorly BS. See you soon, Dane!

Thursday, Dec 4 at 2:43 PM MgoBlue wrote ...

Oh my God Suzzanne, are you serious? You are one of the thousands of ND fans who know nothing about football. Sorry to break it to you sister, big time college football is about winning because winning equals money. The Irish might bring what? $50,000 to the school for an appearance in the Alamo Bowl, but their appearance in a BCS game brings several millions. This is not little league. And of course the coach is responsible for the actions of his players, that is the defenition of coaching, GEE

Thursday, Dec 4 at 2:20 PM Suzanne wrote ...

We teach our kids that winning isnt everything. And your not a true fan if you are only for the team when they win. Weis has been the best thing for the ND team since Holtz. Maybe we should stop firing coaches and start firing players. Weis has NOTHING to do with the players who continue to repeat the same mistakes. Some ppl just dont get it. YAY Charlie- YAY ND~~~~GO IRISH

Thursday, Dec 4 at 2:17 PM Rick wrote ...

Now, who would want to coach at ND these days? 1)You have a couple losing seasons & then.... 2)The alums with the money & certain fans scream for your head & to get rid of you & then.... 3)If you DO have a chance at a bowl game....you play poorly & get humiliated by the opponent anyway. Too much of the politics at play at ND, instead of just letting the kids playing college football.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 12:05 PM nd expert wrote ...

its hard to say if charlie should go or not. When they played Navy I thought the defense was VERY weak, very weak but then they turned that around in the next couple games. Johnny Cross as a side kicker just didnt cut it for me, and Ngai Jones last two plays were just dumb. I hope we see better form next year ,much more use of the field and a stronger set of guys up front, move the ball forward thats what it comes down to and I think charlie can do it.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 11:46 AM Cornfusion wrote ...

Thanks Ana, nice of you to say so. The Snyder remark wasn't mine though. I think that's the work of a copy cat 'Cornflake'. Oh well, sometimes it would be nice to share the heat. Thanks again Ana!

Thursday, Dec 4 at 11:38 AM beguiled wrote ...

I am sooooooooo glad Charlie is coming back for another season. Not only do I have faith in his coaching ability but I must confess I have a little bit of a thing for men with fat aprons. Charlie sports a wonderful example of this, it pushes tighlty at the thin fabric of his pants and I can barely oh my god I've gone off again. Excuse me, I'll return later.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 10:43 AM Toby wrote ...

Notre Dame is a big joke!!! ND football is a big joke!! Charlie is an even bigger joke!!!! I just sit at home and laugh my butt off every time ND plays a game!!!!!!!

Thursday, Dec 4 at 10:41 AM new coach wrote ...

one year from now you'll be talking about who the new coach will be, they would have fired Charlie this year if his contract were for only 5 years. Wonder if ND has learned anything from the post Lou era? i agree with "come on man" 100%

Thursday, Dec 4 at 10:19 AM Ana wrote ...

Cornfusion you are my new BFF!!! I always get a kick out of your replies! I bet the Snyders are mad because they were going to ask the Alumni for money under the table to pay off Mr Snyders back child support! D'oh!

Thursday, Dec 4 at 9:49 AM ND Alum wrote ...

The revolving door of coaches has obviously not done the team any good. I am glad they are giving him another year.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 9:26 AM ND FAN/ NOT A CHARLIE FAN wrote ...

CHARLIE HAS 2 CHOICES, MAKE THE "TEAM" A WINNING TEAM OR BE TERMED AND I WOULD NOT WANT HIM AS A COACH, I MET HIM ONE TIME HE HAS NO CLASS ,IS ARROGANT,SMUG, AND THINKS ITS ALL ABOUT HIM. I THINK HANNAH'S HOUSE IS GREAT AND HIS WIFE NEEDS TO FOCUS ON THAT AND CHARLIE NEEDS TO DEVOTE HIMSELF TO THE FOOTBALL TEAM 24/7 365 ESPECIALLY WHTA HE'S BEING PAID. GET THE JOB DONE CHARLIE HERES YOUR ONE LAST CHANCE TO SHINE!!!!!

Thursday, Dec 4 at 9:24 AM fan wrote ...

My opinion ND should have never got rid of Holtz...they got rid of Holtz and have had trouble ever since..at least Holtz could always bring them back and the games were always exciting.. i bet the slap themselves everytime they think of it..i say give Weis and Clausen a chance. Clausen is only a sophmore. With the experiance he has received the past 2 years in 2 years you all might be eating your words and then weis will be good enough to stay...

Thursday, Dec 4 at 9:24 AM Mel wrote ...

Weather you are a Notre Dame fan or not, when Notre Dame has a bad year, so does the local economy. When they have a bad year, not much is effected the next year. We have had 3 dismal football seasons and now the out-of -state fans are not coming and spending their money. Our economy saw it last year and this year was terrible. This town still needs Notre Dame to win football games.......

Thursday, Dec 4 at 9:22 AM Conffusios wrote ...

I love the coach but I dont see any other coach coming to town and taking over his position because he wont let it go for a million buck in the making. So, let us go back to school and teach English to all of this idiots that dont know how to play a game and well all be happy ever after. Is that OK? Everyone needs training and refresher courses. So start you first.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 8:45 AM j wrote ...

it's not about black and white...it's about green

Thursday, Dec 4 at 8:37 AM Anonymous wrote ...

It amazes me how many people care about this. Yet, there are people without jobs, homes, or food. Get a perspective people. Do something positive with that energy.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 8:34 AM N wrote ...

Nobody posted as 'Michigan fan'. Someone did post as 'Michigan STATE fan' though. Which just proves you ND fans are all morons and cant tell the difference between schools. ND beat Michigan, who does suck, but MSU beat ND very handidly and MSU got runner up in the Big 10 and are still ranked nationally. If you're going to attempt to insult someone, make sure you know how to read because all you've really done is insult yourself by proving you are an idiot.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 8:33 AM KC wrote ...

I think ND and Michigan should both keep their coaches for as long as possible. Neither are competition. GO BUCKEYES!!

Thursday, Dec 4 at 7:23 AM Sonny wrote ...

Ha! "What do the Snyders thing?" Funny!

Thursday, Dec 4 at 7:09 AM YD wrote ...

I think it is good they kept him for now. With all the coach switch aroos, no one is with a program long enough to do something. Sometimes it takes longer than three years (holtz). Just enjoy the football and the tailgates. Who cares. They still sell out and are still on TV every Saturday. Takes your heads out of your rears for once.

Thursday, Dec 4 at 6:30 AM Kevin White wrote ...

I am laughing all the way to the bank at Duke!

Thursday, Dec 4 at 6:29 AM TO THE MICHIGAN FAN wrote ...

IF I WAS YOU I WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT NOTRE DAME BECAUSE AS BAD AS NOTRE DAME IS DOING, MICHIGAN IS WORSE BY FAR.

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 11:16 PM WHO IS IN CHARGE wrote ...

Why does everyone think the new AD made this decision. Unless there has been a majot change in policy the Board of Trustees rule. He gets one year but if he does not go 10 - 2 and go to a BCS game then this will be revisited

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 10:45 PM Anonymous wrote ...

The big thing for Notre Dame to worry about is not that people are mad, it's that people are starting to not care.

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 10:30 PM mich state fan wrote ...

ND will go to a bowl but it will be the toilet bowl lol

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 10:18 PM Lisa wrote ...

Charlie has too many irons in the fire to concentrate of what's padding his pocket. Hannah and Friends? Health issues? His mind is definitely elsewhere and he's coasting. He knows if they fire him he's still set financially for life so for him, it's a win/win. He's just not hungry.

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 9:33 PM mike wrote ...

i hope they go to a bowl and play oregon (which they could) who just put up 60 points in a game against a top 25 team..good luck with it ND

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 9:12 PM Dillweed wrote ...

Charlie has recruited a lot of talent. This team just needs some spirit, and pride. I think Dayne Crist might beat Jimmy out of his job in the spring.

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 9:08 PM Cornifusion wrote ...

What do the Snyders think?

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 8:45 PM No Domer Gomer wrote ...

2009- The Road Back to Foxboro Tour begins. And by the way, to Mrs. Weis, I wanted a picure of Jon Bon Jovi, NOT YOU! The pomposity that surrounds this coach, and the shamless public exhibition of classless behavior knows no sideline.

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 8:28 PM SFI wrote ...

IF YOU EVER HAD ANY TYPE OF BUSINESS DEALINGS WITH ND YOU WOULD KNOW HOW THRIFTY (CHEAP) THEY ARE. IT WAS JUST MONEY! ALL SPORTS DEPTS. WERE TOLD TO MAKE ALL CUTS POSSIBLE SO WHY WOULD THEY PAY WEISS TO SIT HOME AND HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE---- UNLESS THEY GOT A REEEAAAL GOOD VOLUNTEER !!

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 7:55 PM LW wrote ...

Adam-give John Hufnagel credit for Tom Brady. OBTW What do Charlie Weis and Jack Swarbrick have in common? They both slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night...

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 7:40 PM fire wrote ...

It is not weis' fault that the team has a bad season. It is the team itself. You can tell not everyone on the team has confidence and is not putting out 100%. All weis can do is give them the fundamentals and the team has to do the rest. in my opinion weis is a great coach.

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 7:36 PM steve wrote ...

I think Coach Weis deserves one more season to prove himself, after his success at recruiting. If next season turns into the disaster of these last two seasons, i'd like to think in his heart, Charlie would reach an amicable settlement and walk away with goodwill, back to the NFL. This has nothing to do with race, ND employed Coach Willingham and if he had have won a national championship, he'd still be coach here and a statue erected at the stadium. Stop trying to stir up non-existing trouble.

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 6:22 PM Tom wrote ...

Hey ND, It's time for a new Main ND Sport.

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 6:20 PM Black and white wrote ...

it is all about color...

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 5:38 PM Adam wrote ...

Deciding to keep Weis or fire Weis isn't going to solve anything. He's had success with Tom Brady and Brady Quinn, he has a similiar QB with Crist. If we bench Claussen for Crist next year, the coach won't matter because once again we will win. It's hard to win with a QB who can't throw a ball longer than 30 yards in the air. Crist throws it 65 yards on a knee. Weis is successful with a strong arm QB and Crist fits the bill. If he starts success will come back to ND.

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 5:31 PM Sharon wrote ...

It is my feeling that ND couldn't afford the buy out, so they kept Charlie

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 5:29 PM Anonymous wrote ...

ND has made their choice and I bet NBC will make their choice which will utimatly be lights out for the Irish football...

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 5:23 PM 1 more wrote ...

You got one more year Weis. Make it a good one.

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 5:13 PM MM wrote ...

strange no one is saying it was racial.I guess obama has stopped racial attitudes.now that's a change we can believe in.

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 5:13 PM Anonymous wrote ...

This is not good. Next time Notre Dame decides to put someone under a lucrative contract, they should make them prove themselves !!!!!

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 5:11 PM Anonymous wrote ...

Tyrone Willingham needs to get an attorney and sue the University of Notre Dame for at least twenty million dollars for discrimination. It appears there is a preference show by the University of Notre Dame for it's graduates versus those who did not graduate from the university. He might also sue for racial discrimination caused his early termination. I only hope that I might be selected to be on the jury. Go Tyrone you are a gentleman who was unfairly treated by a catholic university!

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 5:03 PM come on man! wrote ...

this is about money, and holding on to the recruits that Charlie has brought in. Notre Dame - Never again hire anyone without head coaching experience, gee are we going to the liberty bowl like we did with Gerry , never again sign someone to a ten year contract unless they have won a national championship, and when you hire someone for 5 years, keep your end of the bargain, I dont care what the record is , Faust got 5,Tyrone should have too. Be ready to be called racists, you brought it on!

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 5:00 PM Fast Ed wrote ...

Last time I'm going to comment on Notre Dame. I don't really expect a great turn around next year. I also think there is some sort of "pull" Charlie has with the higher ups at Notre Dame. He may surprise us all and have a good year next year. But the overall picture is a doubtful one. Only time will tell and it will be a hardship on true N.D. fans.

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 4:58 PM Mary wrote ...

I'm glad they are allowing Charlie another year. He really is a good person. Notre Dame finally made a Weis decision!!!!!!!

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 4:40 PM Cornfusion wrote ...

Well he'll be in high cotton Friday Night at the football banquet. If him & Jimmy eat chicken the way Weis coaches and Clausen throws our problems will be over...They'll both CHOKE!

Wednesday, Dec 3 at 4:40 PM craig wrote ...

i bet one year from now will be talking about this

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